Here is the quote from Dave Silverman!
“Atheism is an effect of that knowledge, not a lack of knowledge. I gave a Bible to my daughter. That’s how you make atheists.”
Here is the quote from Dave Silverman!
“Atheism is an effect of that knowledge, not a lack of knowledge. I gave a Bible to my daughter. That’s how you make atheists.”
From the Telegraph.
The Labour leader’s atheism puts him in stark contrast to his predecessors Tony Blair and Gordon Brown, for whom religion was a central part of their lives.
In an interview on Radio 5 Live, Mr Miliband was asked by presenter Nicky Campbell: ”Do you believe in God?”
The Labour leader replied: ”I don’t believe in God personally, but I have great respect for those people who do.
Yeah. Sounds way better than Blair….
Mr Blair has confirmed since leaving power that his religious faith was ”hugely important” to his premiership. He said he did not speak publicly about his belief while in office out of fear voters would think him a ”nutter”.Since leaving Downing Street, he has converted to Roman Catholicism, and in his recent memoir, A Journey, he wrote: ”I have always been more interested in religion than politics.”
He is a NUTTER!
Maybe the UK can get away from all of the nasty faith schools.
Ed said he believed most faith schools did a ”fantastic” job in educating children, but added he thought it best for children of different backgrounds to be educated together.
Any readers from the UK? What do you think?
It’s a few months old but very true.
Well, I am a few days late with this one – Kinda busy….. There is a new study from the Pew Forum.
I, like everyone else, love it when some information is found that confirms my previously held belief. In this case, I tend to think that atheists (and agnostics) seem to know more about religion then the people that actually follow it. The old saying goes something like – if you have a question about the bible – ask an atheist.
Here is the information that is in all the blogs…
I little deeper look at the data shows that the atheists tend to know more about world religion and some of the christians (Mormons and White Evangelicals) know more about christianity – darn that is in conflict with my world view…..
Hey look – They have a quiz you can take. Give it a try and tell us how you do. What score did you get? I got 14 out of 15 correct.
When you think about some of these questions – the results are very telling.
More than four-in-ten Catholics in the United States (45%) do not know that their church teaches that the bread and wine used in Communion do not merely symbolize but actually become the body and blood of Christ. About half of Protestants (53%) cannot correctly identify Martin Luther as the person whose writings and actions inspired the Protestant Reformation, which made their religion a separate branch of Christianity. Roughly four-in-ten Jews (43%) do not recognize that Maimonides, one of the most venerated rabbis in history, was Jewish.
Yikes. Talk about not even knowing what your religion stands for. Here are the results for different education levels.
Looks like you learn more from education then you do from going to church…
It looks like you learn nothing by going to a church! This is NOT a surprise. This next chart is not a surprise either. Guess what group knows the least about religion.
Yeah – that’s right. The people that think the bible is the literal word of gOd, know the least about religion. There are many other graphs and charts - go check them out.
I have a rule of thumb for such clerics and have never known it to fail: Set your watch and sit back, and pretty soon they will be found sprawling lustily on the floor of the men’s room. It may be a bit early to claim the scalp of Eddie Long for this collection, but I doubt I shall have to withdraw…
The general rule of thumb is that the more a person spews forth hate against something, the more likely it is that they are sneaking around doing it.
Here, after all, is what his friend the Rev. Timothy McDonald III, of the First Iconium Baptist Church (no less!), has to say: “This is the issue: how can you be against homosexuality and you are allegedly participating in it? That is the epitome of hypocrisy.” Cynicism and naivete seem to coexist happily in this statement. The Rev. McDonald does not quite seem to believe the rather unimpressive denials issued by his richly draped brother in Christ. And he talks as if fevered denunciation of homosexuality has never before been an early warning of repressed desire.
Eddie Long has now joined a long and “noble” list of pious idiots that hide behind religion as they willingly steal from the ones that love them.
Many other charlatans have benefited from the clerical racket, and the most notorious of them—Jerry Falwell, Ted Haggard, Jim Bakker, Jimmy Swaggart—have been white. But there is something especially horrible about the way in which the black pulpit gets a sort of free pass, almost as if white society has assured itself that black Americans just love them some preaching. In this fog of ethnic condescension, it is much easier for mountebanks and demagogues to get away with it.
It is going to be fun whatching this guy fall over the next few months. Anyone want to start a pool for which day he admits it all and asks us to forgive a poor sinner?
In this post, I respond to a letter I received from an atheist facing issues of grief and loss. All are invited to send letters they wish to be answered to email@example.com. The name has been changed to protect the writer’s confidentiality.
After many years of being a member of a conservative Christian church, I left and am moving toward a life without religion or God. Recently, I experienced the death of two friends within three weeks. The first death was unexpected and quite tragic. The second came after a protracted battle with lymphoma. I cried for days after the first death. Just when I was starting to mend, my second friend died and the emotional wave started again.
As I attended their memorials, visitations and funerals, I found myself wanting to be comforted by the word of God and the belief in heaven. I also had to resist the temptation to show anger at God for allowing my friends to die because he doesn’t exist. It is quite the paradox a lot of Christians face: anger yet wanting comfort from the same entity. I guess this is why the parent analogy works so well for Christian churches.
So how does an atheist deal with grief? I mentally get that life ends with death; but emotionally, the thought of no afterlife is a tough one to lose.
First, let me say that I am so sorry for your loss and I can’t imagine what you have been going through. Although your letter is about grieving for two friends, your loss goes even deeper—your grief is compounded by the loss of your faith. At the same time as you mourn the friends that meant so much to you, you also mourn the loss of your Christianity, the community you had in your congregation and the sense of belonging you felt as a Christian.
Since you describe yourself as moving toward a life without religion or God, you’ve lost your friends during a time of difficult personal transition. Even if you see become an atheist as a positive experience in your life, it’s still likely to be stress-inducing. It’s only natural that you would find yourself wanting to turn to sources of comfort that have been there for you in the past. Just as your journey from faith to non-belief has no doubt been a very personal one, so will be your healing process as your recover from grief and loss. Please bear with me for a moment as I discuss grief and loss generally before moving on to specifically address how atheists cope with grief.
Grief and loss are among the most difficult experiences that people, professionals or not, struggle to help each other overcome in life. While grief is a universal experience in life from which none of us is exempt, it is also a highly personalized experience. Grief encompasses so many other emotional experiences along with it—sadness, anger, fear, anxiety, resignation, hopelessness, and sometimes a sense of relief. Unlike anxiety, depression, or a number of other personal experiences that counselors help others with, grief is not a diagnosis and there is no one recommended treatment.
But there are ways of dealing with grief that others have found helpful, and there are particular issues associated with the grief and loss that atheists experience differently from believers, and those I will share with you today. As a counselor, I feel compelled to add that if at any point you feel a great sense of hopelessness or inability to cope during your process of grieving, I recommend that you do see a professional face-to-face.
When an atheist has suffered the loss of a loved one, the difficulty of the experience can be compounded by the usually well-meaning but often ignorant comments by others, including “She is with God now” or “I’m praying for you” or “You’ll be together again one day in heaven” or “They’re looking down on us from above right now.” Even those who know you are an atheist and are supportive of it may say something that makes you grit your teeth, like “Everything happens for a reason.” There is no one way that atheists handle this aspect of the grieving process. Some choose to thank the well-wishers, others choose to argue with them, ignore them, and so on. The right way to handle this is the way that you feel is best for yourself and those that care about you.
You mention memorials and funerals, another often difficult experience for atheists due to the highly religious nature of most of these events. It can feel like just another opportunity for an atheist who’s in emotional pain to be marginalized or misunderstood. And in your case, for you to be reminded that your friends and family are finding comfort in something that you are no longer able to be soothed by.
You might think about having your own memorial service(s) for your friend. Whether you have it privately, all alone, or invite others, you can decide what type of memorial will help you. Maybe you want a completely secular memorial that celebrates what their friendships meant to you. Maybe you want to sit down and look at old photos of them and laugh and cry. Maybe you want to incorporate elements of ritual that you used to find comforting when you attended church, like lighting candles for them or meditating (instead of praying). Maybe you even want to do something religious, just this one last time, as a way of saying goodbye to that method of dealing with death. When my husband’s mother died, after the funeral they all went to her house and listened to her old records, sang along, and told the funniest stories they could remember about her. They made it a celebration of who she was and what she had meant to each of them.
You said you also found yourself resisting the temptation to be angry at God. Well, I say, why resist? Although you may not even believe he exists, why not be angry at him? Why not talk to him or write him a letter and express your anger at him? Remember, it’s about you and expressing your feelings. Maybe giving in to the temptation and using it as a way to express your anger, fear, anxiety, whatever, will be part of your healing process. But maybe not, it’s up to you. The important thing is that, whatever you are feeling, you understand it’s OK to feel that way and to heal in your own way and at your own pace.
One thing you should know is that, despite the popularity of Kublar-Ross’s idea of five universal stages of grief (denial, anger, bargaining, depression, and acceptance) experienced in a linear fashion from the first to the last, there is no empirical support for this model. While many people do experience those emotional reactions, they don’t necessarily experience them all or in any particular order.
Many people have found writing to be an important part of their grieving process. They may write a letter to the loved one who has died expressing whatever they felt they didn’t have a chance to express while he or she was alive. They may journal their emotions every day just to get them out, and then overtime see that they have begun to heal. They may write poems or songs about the loved one or just about life or death in general. Whether they choose to keep their writings to themselves or share them is a very individual decision. Don’t like to write? You can draw. Or you can photograph things that remind you of him or her and put them in a special album. Or you can make a scrapbook. Maybe, in your case, you do this not only to recover from the loss of your loved ones, but your loss of faith.
A former client of mine who lost her mother and her faith and her trust in Alcoholics Anonymous all at the same time found comfort by seeking out others online who had recovered from addictions without admitting the were powerless and putting themselves in the hands of a higher power. At the same time, she journaled her feelings, wrote a letter to her dead mother, and spent a lot of time reading about atheism.
Reading can also be an important part of the healing process. I recommend a book called Godless Grief, by CJ Jones. Here is a link to the website, which also contains a forum where you can find support from others in similar situations http://www.godlessgrief.com/ Support groups are also a source of comfort to many people, but they do present a dilemma for an atheist, as more often than not they will be loaded with the “He’s in a better place” type of comments. The Godless Grief book contains not only recommendations for ways to deal with loss, but many narratives of others and their personal stories of grief and loss.
You may find it helpful to read or listen to the views of knowledgeable atheist professionals who have struggled with the great existential questions of life, death, and meaning. Irvin Yalom, atheist psychiatrist, therapist, and author, has written extensively about existential therapy, the meaning of life, and the anxiety of death. I recommend his book Staring at the Sun: Overcoming the Terror of Death.
When people close to us die, it reminds us of our own mortality and brings out our own death anxiety. This can be particular true for those, such as yourself, who are experiencing the loss of their belief in an afterlife. You are grieving the loss of the time you thought you had—you grieve for a lost eternity—not only your own eternity, but that of your friends. Existential philosophy and psychology may be topics you want to explore in more depth, to see how some of the greatest minds describe, from an atheistic perspective, the universal experiences of grief, loss, and recovery. When faced with difficult life experiences, the faithful often turn to Priests and Pastors and other church authority figures. Atheists turn to other prominent atheists they admire, such as Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, PZ Myers, Christopher Hitchens, and so on.
Maybe you will find comfort in examples of how a couple of prominent atheists have handled grief over their own illnesses and impending deaths. Check out these links. One is a blog entry by Mike Celizic of The Today Show and MSNBC and the other is a link to Anderson Cooper’s recent interview with Christopher Hitchens.
While believers find comfort in the ideas God’s great plan for mankind and life after death, many atheists find comfort in knowing there is no one watching over their every move or reading their minds and that when they die, their consciousness will simply cease to exist. It may at first seem counterintuitive, but when you think about it, the scary idea that we live in an indifferent universe and have no special purpose or significance can be comforting. It means that if we become ill, it’s not because we deserve it or did something to anger God or that we are somehow inferior to those who are healthy, it’s just because we are human. It means that we don’t have the huge responsibility of pleasing a deity and living up to the standard of being made in his image or living a perfect life as Jesus supposedly did. We are human, with all our failings and frailties, and that’s OK.
There is one last, but very important piece of advice I would like to impart. Whatever you need for your recovery and healing, please do not be afraid to let others know what it is. If you need to be alone for awhile, let others know that, but reassure them you will not isolate or shut them out. If you need to have a memorial service and want others to attend, let them know how much it would mean to you. If you just need to sit and cry and not do housework for a day, allow yourself to do so and ask others for their understanding. But if you need to have a good laugh, let others know that, too, and ask them to remember funny stories or go see a comedy with you. And remember that while you have lost your faith and the sense of belonging to a faith community, you have gained a new perspective on life and death and joined a large, supportive community of freethinkers. Maybe some of them will post more ideas in the comments section below?
Thank you so much for your letter, and again, my sincere sympathies for your loss.
Patty Guzikowski is a licensed professional counselor, National Certified Counselor, and Distance Credentialed Counselor. She offers telephone and email counseling to adults through her private practice, Freethought Counseling LLC, at www.freethoughtcounseling.com