The first interview is with Jaclyn Glenn and Richard Dawkins promoting the Out Campaign.
The second interview is with Bill Maher on Real Time.
Dawkins has a way of misstating things and from I can tell it is because he’s terrible at short summary statements, in spite of the meme “The Selfish Gene.” Maybe that’s why. He set the bar so high it’s too much to follow.
“Like many people, I’m sure that [President Barack] Obama is an atheist,” Dawkins told Maher. “I’m sure Kennedy was an atheist. But I doubt Pope Frank is, no. He’s obviously a nice man, therefore a dangerous man. We don’t want nice men in the Vatican.”
It sounds political, “We don’t want nice men in the Vatican,” as that would make it more hard to be critical. What he’s saying is that nice people who represent immoral organizations make the organization look more moral than it is. In spite of the Vatican not changing one bit with Pope Puppy.The name Francis is the most common birth name in Italy now and throngs are supporting him. He has been an effective wedge. The problem is with the position of power, the organization behind it, and the sacred text it’s based on.
To make an extreme comparison. Wasn’t it great that Caligula was an asshole so no one got distracted by that and overlooked his cruelty? Or to use an overused simile, if Hitler had been as gentle sounding as Anthony Hopkins in Silence of the Lambs would not historians be more gentle to him and more likely to excuse his actions–wait, Hitler was a great orator and appeared compassionate to much of the public.
Quentin Tarantino is famous for making killers seem emotionless, without empathy, not even anger or revenge, just casual in their splatter of mayhem, blood and inhumanity. The lack of concern makes it even more acceptable to view the splatter.
We expect “evil” people to be disagreeable in disposition even though we say we understand what sociopaths and psychopaths are. The Pope is neither but he does paint a pretty picture of a head of state of a ruthless organization that is the greatest cause of more hate and destruction of any organization in the last 2,000 years.
Even now the horrid hatred of LGBT, say in Nigeria, isn’t because of pagan worship, witches, or shamans. No it’s because missionaries came and said LGBT were evil and going to hell. A great way of talking about damnation, of an other. Who would’ve guessed the LGBT community would grow and become so politically powerful anyway, or maybe because of it. They also preached no contraception, missionary position only, patriarchy only, and a host of hateful dehumanizing crap that has poisoned Earth Culture.
A nice pope is like a smiling mafia killer that says please and thank you and donates to local charities. It’s even more scary. A nice pope allows many to remain in denial and for the Vatican to ensnare more.
I knew a pedophile who was so nice and generous that even when it was shown he was to be a pedophile few could believe it–sound familiar? You don’t have to be Ted Bundy to be nice and an agent of harm. You might even think you are helping the world.
Jim Newman, bright and well