Anyway, Stan, please explain to me how you get from my writing;

“Don’t you think it a rather delicious irony that it is science, not religious faith, that enables you to write that excuse of an apologetic via the Internet”

to you writing;

“I think it is an irony that Atheists believe that technology is due to a worldview.”

Where did I equate atheism with technology. All I did was, with a limited example, show how that every gain of the modern world, better health/longer life, the tool that allows your electron wasting screeds here etc, is not the result of religious faith, but of science and the scientific method. In fact, if religion, all the Abrahamic ones at least, had their way we would still be in the middle ages or even further back.

Plus, atheism isn’t per se a denial of god simply the logical (there’s that word again) conclusion based on the complete lack of evidence for god/s, none, nada, zilch. I also find it ironic that believers try to ‘tar’ atheists as a kind of faith based believer, implying that faith based beliefs are bad or wrong. We know, why do you think we are against it, even the more, on the surface at least, moderate kinds. Thousands of years and a multitude of religions and not a single useful piece of evidence for their gods. The very best that anyone can posit without evidence is a deist god who might have been the first cause but then left well alone. Colour me unimpressed.

BTW, constantly claiming we are illogical while basically posting a presuppositionalism variant and semantic and logical gymnastics, earns you neither respect nor a continued hearing. After a while, it is simply another boring apologeticist. When you have evidence beyond semantics and logic twisting for your god, come back to us. Until then, you only deserve the Courtier’s reply.

Why do I get the bad smell of a WLC fan about this one.

Meanwhile I got the dvd of PBS’s Evolution Documentary listed in the article above and I’m watching it now! I also ordered Richard Dawkin’s Evidence For Evolution and have already got God Delusion and Stephen Hawkin’s The Grand Design

However, I do have religious texts on my bookshelf too. It is just they are with books of their kind… philosophy & mythology. I won’t deny those things exist. When asked about things like Jesus or god I simply say,”Some people believe…” and then answer the question. I am sure to note what I believe as well and why (when needed)… and end with a question, “What do you think?”

Another thing I like to do is when they tell me they want something from, say, the other room, I ask them if they should wish for it or get up and get it… they always get up. Now, I never say “pray” but the lesson is taught, I believe, with the word “wish.”

Either these Christian individuals and largely nations have failed to actually be Christian (thus making virtually every previous attempt at following Jesus’s teachings a failure, which doesn’t reflect well on the viability of said teachings), or Christ’s teachings are awful even when successfully followed. Make your choice, DC.

Here are some of the things that must be included if we are to follow what Christian scripture presents as the teachings of Jesus:

Cut off one’s own body parts (Matthew 18:8).
Neglect one’s family, friends, all obligations (Matthew 10:37, 19:29).
Kill people in front of Jesus (Luke 19:27).
Be indifferent to human slavery (many of Jesus’s parables, where he speaks of slavery with indifference and never condemns it).

I think much of our social progress comes in part *because* we learn to ignore the bad things religious leaders like Jesus say.

I think I want to change my answer… It would be a very bad world.